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Post by Royana Dolordotch on Sept 18, 2015 15:17:19 GMT
From Her Royal Jolliness Queen Lyssansa, Necrarch of the Kingdom of Minarboria, come the warmest greetings and salutations to the National Assembly and to the peoples of the Tellian Confederation. The existence of the Confederation has been reported to us by colonists making the arduous crossing of the Benacian Green from Lichbrookian Shireroth to Her Jolliness' sovereign territories, and the Shrubbery has seen fit to dispatch me among your number in official greeting. The Shrubbery has learned of the Tellian peoples' plight in seeking to maintain a presence on the world's maps. Her Jolliness has directed me to communicate to you her happy acknowledgement of your existence as a neighbour of Minarboria, and moreover extends her best wishes in your continued recognition as a sovereign state by the Micrasian community of nations. Such assistance of any kind as Minarboria can provide in this regard, Her Jolliness would be well disposed to provide on request. May the soil beneath Tellia's trees remain fertile. Yours in Benacian salutation, V I V A T + F R U T E X
R.S.D.D.
M O R I A T + R E G I N A
Royana Dolordotch
Third State Arborist of the Kingdom of Minarboria |
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Post by V.V. Fabbri on Oct 19, 2015 23:42:57 GMT
Welcome to Tellia and thank you for your greetings from Minarboria. We wish the Minarborians the best with their new homelands following a surely arduous migration, and hope for a peaceful and amicable cooperation in our respective governance of the lands around southern Benacia.
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Post by Royana Dolordotch on Oct 20, 2015 14:51:13 GMT
A fine sight it is to see a gentle quiver of life in Tellia! Your kind wishes will be communicated to Her Jolliness with all due expediency.
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Post by Royana Dolordotch on Jan 13, 2016 15:15:48 GMT
To whom it may concern, A discussion is currently underway concerning a territorial expansion by the Imperial Republic of Shireroth into Tellia's geographical neighbourhood. Representatives of the Tellian Confederation are invited to make their opinions on the matter known, either there or here. By the grace of the Shrub, R.S.D.D. |
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Post by Royana Dolordotch on Jan 22, 2016 17:39:12 GMT
Esteemed Co-Presidents, Her Royal Jolliness conveys her exceedingly jolly congratulations to the Tellian government and people upon the recent ratification of the Treaty of Gloomburg. That our nations are bonded in Benacian brotherhood from this point onward is truly assured. While our Shirerithian counterparts consider the nature of the Shirerithian Condominium determined by Article IX of the aforesaid treaty, the Kingdom of Minarboria similarly wishes to confer with the Tellian administration on the subject of the routine governance of the Minarborian Condominium determined by Article VIII of the treaty. To this end, the Shrubbery has drafted a proposal for a governing Charter, outlining basic provisions for routine governance, passage of persons and security in the Minarborian Condominium. It would be anticipated that anything more detailed than the provisions of the Charter would be decreed as legislation by the local government which the Charter brings into existence. In this manner, the maximum possible power over the Condominium's daily affairs would be decided within the Condominium itself. ________________________________________________
The Olive Charter
For the governance of the Condominium Territory of the Tellian Confederation and the Kingdom of Minarboria as determined by the Treaty of Gloomburg
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Article I
This Charter concerns that territory designated the Minarborian Condominium by Article VIII of the Treaty of Gloomburg agreed between the Tellian Confederation, the Kingdom of Minarboria and the Imperial Republic of Shireroth.
Article II
This Charter remains valid while Treaty of Gloomburg is in effect, and is subject in full to the provisions of that Treaty.
Article III
The governance of the Minarborian Condominium is the exclusive preserve of the Tellian Confederation and the Kingdom of Minarboria.
Article IV
The governance of the Minarborian Condominium is carried out by the Cameradoppia. The Cameradoppia is a joint organ of the Kingdom of Minarboria and the Tellian Confederation. The Cameradoppia is led by two individuals known as Cosedes. One Cosede is appointed by the Tellian Confederation. The other Cosede is appointed by the Kingdom of Minarboria. The Cosedes answer directly to their respective heads of state.
Article V
The Cameradoppia shall maintain an open channel of communication with the administration of the Shirerithian Condominium.
Article VI
Citizens of the Kingdom of Minarboria and citizens of the Tellian Confederation are permitted freedom of movement throughout the Minarborian Condominium. This includes citizens of the Tellian Confederation residing in the Shirerithian Condominium.
Article VII
Entrance to the Minarborian Condominium of individuals holding neither citizenship of the Tellian Confederation nor of the Kingdom of Minarboria shall require the issuance of a visa by the Cameradoppia.
Article VIII
The armed defence of the Minarborian Condominium is the responsibility of the Doppicomando. The Doppicomando is a joint military command of the Tellian Confederation and the Kingdom of Minarboria, answerable to the Cameradoppia and responsible for the deployment of, and co-ordination between, the military forces of the Tellian Confederation and the Kingdom of Minarboria on the territory of the Minarborian Condominium.
Article IX
Where the Cameradoppia is unable to agree upon a given course of action in the performance of its duties, resolution of the matter shall be entrusted to a neutral foreign arbitrator chosen by mutual consent of the Tellian Confederation and the Kingdom of Minarboria.
Article X
This Charter comes into effect upon its signature and ratification by the Tellian Confederation and the Kingdom of Minarboria.
________________________________________________ The Tellian Co-Presidency is naturally welcome to scrutinise or suggest revisions of this draft to any extent that it wishes. Such observations will enjoy full and respectful consideration by the Shrubbery, as befits a jurisdiction so deep within the greater Tellian hinterland. I remain, by the gift necromantic animation, your Shrubly herald, R. S. D. D.
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Post by V.V. Fabbri on Jan 24, 2016 12:37:03 GMT
Welcome back to Tellia, Miss Dolordotch, I hope your journey through the new Benacian landscape was smooth. Thank you for taking the time to pen the above document.
Having read the Olive Charter proposal, I have taken a liking to the concept of the region being under the control of a shared body. The addition of free movement between both condominiums is beneficial too - I would maybe suggest a freedom for Tellians to move across the borders between the Tellian cities and the condominium, and likewise for Minarborians across the border with Minarboria, if you deem suitable.
I do have a query pertaining to citizenships of the people in the condominium. On the assumption that any currently-held citizenships are to be maintained, should we discuss the legal position of peoples born within the condominium? Would such individuals be automatically granted either/both/none of Tellian and/or Minarborian citizenship, or even be eligible for both?
One final issue; if the position of Cosede were to be integrated into the head of state role for either of our nations, would this affect anything in regards to the Cameradoppia?
Other than the points voiced above, I am more than amicable to the remainder of the proposal.
Yours,
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Post by Royana Dolordotch on Jan 24, 2016 17:12:31 GMT
The assurance of passage across Condominium borders for holders of appropriate suzerain citizenships is a good idea - to which end I suggest the addition of the following article: ________________________
Citizens of the Kingdom of Minarboria are permitted freedom of passage between the Minarborian Condominium and the territory of the Kingdom of Minarboria proper. Citizens of the Tellian Confederation are permitted freedom of passage between the Minarborian Condominium and the territory of the Tellian Confederation proper.
________________________ Regarding births within the borders of the Condominium, I would be inclined to suggest the following: ________________________
Citizenship of newborns within the borders of the Minarborian Condominium is determined by parentage. Those born to citizens of the Kingdom of Minarboria on the territory of the Minarborian Condominium are considered citizens of the Kingdom of Minarboria. Those born to citizens of the Tellian Confederation on the territory of the Minarborian Condominium are considered citizens of the Tellian Confederation. Those born to citizens of both the Kingdom of Minarboria and the Tellian Confederation on the territory of the Minarborian Condominium are considered citizens of both Kingdom of Minarboria and the Tellian Confederation.
Those born to citizens of neither the Kingdom of Minarboria nor the Tellian Confederation on the territory of the Minarborian Condominium are considered to hold those citizenships for which they are eligible in foreign states by way of their parents' citizenships. Where this eligibility does not exist through either parent, or where no parentage can be determined, the child is considered a Stateless Person whose final status is decided by the Cameradoppia.
________________________ In reply to your final query, I would not consider the assumption of a Cosedeship directly by a head of state to harm the workings of the Cameradoppia in any way. Respectfully, R.S.D.D. |
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Post by V.V. Fabbri on Jan 24, 2016 23:00:54 GMT
The two new articles meet the expectations I had perfectly, thank you.
I am glad you see no issue with the Cosede simultaneously being the head of state as well. I only asked with Tellia's insecure situation meaning such positions may have to be kept within the same small group of individuals for effective all-round governing.
Unless there is anything else you may feel is necessary to add which has not occurred to you before, I believe we may be nearing an agreement.
Yours,
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Post by Royana Dolordotch on Jan 25, 2016 11:39:26 GMT
In light of certain necessary bureaucratic contortions, Minarboria should like to assure Tellia that Her Jolliness' Shrubbery intends to adhere as closely as possible to the spirit of the Treaty of Gloomburg with regard to the territory between Lachmeren and Amarr, and I consider this discussion to remain very much active and relevant. However, it would perhaps be prudent for the further development of our already well-progressed arrangement to be suspended until such time as the will of three nations prevails over the mischief of two obstructive officials, and a claim of some kind upon the land concerned is finally approved. Naturally Minarboria would be most sympathetic if Shireroth saw fit to undertake a similar arrangement in its own condominium, provided the Tellian people were not entirely shut out of its governance. R.S.D.D. |
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Post by V.V. Fabbri on Jan 26, 2016 1:13:33 GMT
It is unfortunate to have seen our claims unrecognised by the MCS, although not unsurprising. Tellia admittedly has a lot of work to do to bring itself toward being an effective and working state, and is currently addressing as many issues as it can for long-term betterment.
I would personally like to send apologies for any offence my comments may have caused in the public discussion regarding Minarboria's amended claim following the initial one's denial. I had no intention of being construed as accusatory; I solely desired to make it known that it was unanticipated to see a Minarborian claim submitted which was not as agreed in the Treaty of Gloomburg nor otherwise discussed elsewhere.
I agree that a pause in the proceedings for the Olive Charter is warranted. We have come to an agreement which should still be perfectly suitable to enact when the time is right - and hopefully this shall be sooner rather than not.
I shall see to the Shirerithian condominium discussion forthwith and mention a similar breather until that time as well.
Yours,
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Post by Royana Dolordotch on Feb 10, 2016 11:46:08 GMT
Signor Fabbri,
The Shrubbery has resolved that it may be in Tellia's interest for the Olive Charter to be implemented independently of the Minarborian Condominium's cartographic status, and that the institutions created by said Charter, if conducting their business on Tellian forumspace, would enable a degree of activity beneficial to the upgrading of that cartographic status.
Her Jolliness is keen to avoid a situation whereby the development of Greater Tellia is impeded by a dependence on the technical requirements of a third party which, in turn, are conditional on the development of Greater Tellia. Minarboria is disposed to assist Tellia in breaking this unfortunate cycle, and to this end enquires whether the Tellian Co-Presidency would be willing to ratify the agreed form of the Olive Charter into effect as an instrument of institutional foundation and statement of general intent, in much the same manner as the currently-unfulfilled provisions of the Treaty of Gloomburg.
The Shrub-God Minarbor would be much pleased if you were to honour His Jolly Bride's proposal with your consideration.
I remain, in Benacian sorority, your unbreathing correspondent,
R.S.D. Dolordotch
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Post by V.V. Fabbri on Feb 15, 2016 18:27:39 GMT
I appreciate your concerns, Miss Dolordotch, and agree that it is in both our nations' best interests to enact the Olive Charter prior to the MCS's recognition of our condominium claim. With Tellia's renowned instability, reaching the activity requirements to warrant expanding our lands is something which we cannot guarantee, and we are extremely grateful to your offer of assistance in this regard.
Yours,
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Post by Royana Dolordotch on Feb 16, 2016 13:39:22 GMT
Truly Minarbor smiles upon our concord. It is my pleasure, then, to present the final amended draft of the Olive Charter for your signature alongside my own: ________________________________________________
The Olive Charter
For the governance of the Condominium Territory of the Tellian Confederation and the Kingdom of Minarboria as determined by the Treaty of Gloomburg
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Article I
This Charter concerns that territory designated the Minarborian Condominium by Article VIII of the Treaty of Gloomburg agreed between the Tellian Confederation, the Kingdom of Minarboria and the Imperial Republic of Shireroth.
Article II
This Charter remains valid while Treaty of Gloomburg is in effect, and is subject in full to the provisions of that Treaty.
Article III
The governance of the Minarborian Condominium is the exclusive preserve of the Tellian Confederation and the Kingdom of Minarboria.
Article IV
The governance of the Minarborian Condominium is carried out by the Cameradoppia. The Cameradoppia is a joint organ of the Kingdom of Minarboria and the Tellian Confederation. The Cameradoppia is led by two individuals known as Cosedes. One Cosede is appointed by the Tellian Confederation. The other Cosede is appointed by the Kingdom of Minarboria. The Cosedes answer directly to their respective heads of state.
Article V
The Cameradoppia shall maintain an open channel of communication with the administration of the Shirerithian Condominium.
Article VI
Citizens of the Kingdom of Minarboria and citizens of the Tellian Confederation are permitted freedom of movement throughout the Minarborian Condominium. This includes citizens of the Tellian Confederation residing in the Shirerithian Condominium.
Article VII
Citizens of the Kingdom of Minarboria are permitted freedom of passage between the Minarborian Condominium and the territory of the Kingdom of Minarboria proper. Citizens of the Tellian Confederation are permitted freedom of passage between the Minarborian Condominium and the territory of the Tellian Confederation proper.
Article VIII
Entrance to the Minarborian Condominium of individuals holding neither citizenship of the Tellian Confederation nor of the Kingdom of Minarboria shall require the issuance of a visa by the Cameradoppia.
Article IX
Citizenship of newborns within the borders of the Minarborian Condominium is determined by parentage. Those born to citizens of the Kingdom of Minarboria on the territory of the Minarborian Condominium are considered citizens of the Kingdom of Minarboria. Those born to citizens of the Tellian Confederation on the territory of the Minarborian Condominium are considered citizens of the Tellian Confederation. Those born to citizens of both the Kingdom of Minarboria and the Tellian Confederation on the territory of the Minarborian Condominium are considered citizens of both Kingdom of Minarboria and the Tellian Confederation. Those born to citizens of neither the Kingdom of Minarboria nor the Tellian Confederation on the territory of the Minarborian Condominium are considered to hold those citizenships for which they are eligible in foreign states by way of their parents' citizenships. Where this eligibility does not exist through either parent, or where no parentage can be determined, the child is considered a Stateless Person whose final status is decided by the Cameradoppia.
Article X
The armed defence of the Minarborian Condominium is the responsibility of the Doppicomando. The Doppicomando is a joint military command of the Tellian Confederation and the Kingdom of Minarboria, answerable to the Cameradoppia and responsible for the deployment of, and co-ordination between, the military forces of the Tellian Confederation and the Kingdom of Minarboria on the territory of the Minarborian Condominium.
Article XI
Where the Cameradoppia is unable to agree upon a given course of action in the performance of its duties, resolution of the matter shall be entrusted to a neutral foreign arbitrator chosen by mutual consent of the Tellian Confederation and the Kingdom of Minarboria.
Article XII
This Charter comes into effect upon its signature and ratification by the Tellian Confederation and the Kingdom of Minarboria.
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SIGNED FOR THE TELLIAN CONFEDERATION[x] SIGNED FOR THE KINGDOM OF MINARBORIAR. S. D. D.Royana Sineviscera Dasana Dolordotch
Third State Arborist of the Kingdom of Minarboria
Winterhigh 27th, 954 AF________________________________________________
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Post by V.V. Fabbri on Mar 7, 2016 2:04:48 GMT
I must apologise; commitments elsewhere have severely limited my direct interaction with Tellia of late!
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Post by Royana Dolordotch on Mar 7, 2016 14:53:40 GMT
Fear not, Signor Copresidente - the patience of the undead is infinite. I thank you for your signature, commend you for your contributions to this Charter and look forward to working with you in the future.
I am quite content for the Minarborian Condominium to conduct the entirety of its business on Tellian forumspace, if you are able to create a subforum for the purpose. That arranged, we can get down to the business of effective governance for the peoples of the lower Tellian hinterland.
- R.S.D.D.
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